ALS – Phantom, your required rules seem pretty simple. Let’s use some practical applications in real
POP – In trading, rules are not meant to be broken for your own sake. The rules bring you to a no
judgement type approach. You design your trade program and approach to trading by keeping the
major choice of positions within your program while keeping the confirmation to the market. Your
only job is to follow your trade program while obeying rules one and two. The rules take away the
need to decide while the market is open of what to do during the trade day.
You will have a good idea what you expect of yourself at all times rather than guessing what is
actually going to take place with your positions. You will either be proven correct with your
positions or you simply get out of the positions. You don’t stick around to get hurt with exposure if
the market is not proving you correct.
Yes, you will have exceptions when the rules don’t corporate with you and what the markets are
doing. This will be a minimum problem, as the rules will keep you in the trading game for long
You must research your trade program well enough to be able to not enter at bad entry levels. Even
if you make a simple mistake such as chasing markets, rule one will still keep you from excessive
drawdown during your trading career.
ALS – I notice a few questions coming up about excessive commissions when using rule one!
POP – Today as an example as I bought the DJIA after a 30 point rise and expected to see a 5 point
plus within 30 seconds. After 30 seconds I bailed. I had a loss of one point on the trade. The market
continued to drop against me and my loss would have been 30-40 times my commission even if I
had paid top commission at the low point.
Now you can’t tell me that it is better to stay in and wait for it to come back then it is to get out and
re-evaluate the situation. In the end I would have been right but my mental standing after a simple
rule one trade is a lot better and allows me to have sanity about my next move.
Most traders think it is bad for them to be wrong and when they are, that’s it for the day. Well, being
wrong is the best chance to put a correct position on with your next trade as you certainly can trade
If you keep a trade, which never proves to be correct within your program of time element, you will
never be able to correct a bad situation but only be able to remove that bad situation. Your mental
well being is worth a lot in trading. You can trade well when you are thinking good.
What I am going to say next is something usually learned not by observation but by making the
assumption itself. Most of your money from trading is going to come from trades, which take off
rather quickly from when you put them on. That is the reason rule two is so important. Just look at
most starting trends and good runs you have once a market turns. The chop-chop markets aren’t
going to give you good income.
While it is true that being in control of your position in the market rather than the market being in
control of what you are going to think about your position next simplifies your trading life, it also
greatly enhances your ability to make good trades. The main reason is that you know what to expect
and have those expectations up front from the entry of your trades.
If you supervise a house building and you have several trades working on the house, you certainly
make sure the plumbing which goes in the foundation is being put in correctly before you walk
away and let the foundation be completed. Building a position is the same in trading as most
occupations. If the plumbing and foundation on the house are completed correctly, you move to the
Still at any time the prior work finished could create a problem. Let’s say the foundation settles and
cracks the sewer pipe. Would you continue on the house? Of course you wouldn’t. Well no way will
you continue with a trade, which proved correct but now shows problems.
You can never let your guard down in trading. You must always know what the next step is for you
in any situation. You rehearse your criteria of a trade and it becomes second nature. Just like driving
a car becomes sub conscience to you when you are proficient at it.
You start out by not knowing what the trade will ever do when you put it on. You can never control
what the market will do or how the orders will enter the pits. You can not tell me when a large fund
is going to take a profit or enter a new position. Nor can anyone else tell you for certain. All you
can do is build your criteria or trade plan to take every angle which is important into account.
I can give you a plan, which will catch every move, but you will catch moves, which are the wrong
way too. Along with that plan to never miss a move I can give you the big drawdown and the rules
which will eat you alive if you can’t afford the drawdown. In the end you will have what you think
is a very small profit for all your time and patience of going along with the plan.
But yes, you will have a profit. That is not what the usual trader is about. He is not in this game to
earn a few extra bucks for his vacation. He is always after a better return then most would consider
fair in any other investment. That reason is another creator of rule one.
You are expecting a big reward and fail to see the big risk, which faces you at first. Somewhere
along the way you must face the situation for what it is.
Trading is a loser’s game. You must learn how to lose. The biggest loser who loses small will
continue in the game. Obviously the small trader who loses big will quickly go to the sidelines.
Sometimes the sidelines are not even there for a few.
Their losses take away their hearts. Believe me for I have seen them. It is the saddest thing in the
world to take away someone’s dream. More so when they never knew the enemy in the first place.
A trader must know and accept what the market can do along the damage side to equity, to mental
peace and to self-esteem. Every day is a big surprise in trading.
You must plan for the surprise from the time you put your position in place. The big surprise can
sometimes be a friend but you must be prepared for it.
Why do I say the market is going to give you a surprise? Can you tell me exactly how far a market
will move and then re-trace before continuing or if it will continue?
What you can do is to eliminate your reactions to what the market does to you. You do this by not
giving the market the power to control your position or emotions with adverse market moves. You
start out expecting the adverse market moves and plan your action based on those outcomes.
When you place a trade, don’t ever think this is the only trade to make. There are thousands of
trades you can make. You aren’t going to miss a move for long if you trade correctly. You aren’t
going to chase markets if you trade correctly. You must have a plan to enter positions based on each
market’s criteria. Rule one is the rule, which keeps you in control at all times when that position is
Behavior modification can take place in many forms but you need a rule to show you what must be
done at all times. One trader suggested the rubber band method. Each time you took a big loss or
did some bad trading you would snap the rubber band on your wrist. That’s if you remembered to do
I don’t like this method but it is better than a lot of others. Just because you put on a trade, which
lost money, is no reason to feel bad. If you put a position on and lost big money that is when you
can feel very bad. With rule one you are freeing yourself from having to feel bad.
You put the trade on based on the trade plan. The market either confirms and you now have a good
position or it doesn’t confirm and you are not ok with the position and you get out. Simple! Only a
big deal if you don’t get out when it isn’t confirmed a good position. No need to ever feel bad. Most
of your trades, which don’t confirm within a logical time frame, are usually going to look bad
sooner or later. Why not take the sooner?
ALS – It’s beginning to look like it takes more thought to put a trade on then the time you’re going
to be in it if you’re wrong or I mean not proven to be in a correct position!
POP – The logical step is to have the plan in place for the next step before you put on the trade. I
would guess that 95 per-cent of the traders put the trade on and then wait for the market to prove
they have a bad position. Even if the position is correct, their next step is wondering when to get
out. . It’s human nature to do it their way. It causes a lot of unsuspecting reactions in their lives.
ALS – Human nature is as you say. I know you did some research on human nature of traders and
non-traders. Perhaps we can talk about some of your data.
POP – I’ll tell you what I would prefer to do. It would be better to just suggest some of the
experiments and let the readers come to their own conclusions. Let’s keep that in the behavior
ALS – There were some questions on when to get out of a position. I realize this is out of order here
but I know we need to include rule two.
POP – That’s ok as it is a common question as to when do you know when to get out of a position.
Actually rule two addresses this very well because it says to press your winners correctly without
exception. Rather than getting out of a position with the proper criteria you will be increasing your
position. You only do the adding with correctly proven positions.
The time to get out of a position is not when the market is proving your position to be a correct one.
You have the opportunity to be wrong as often as correct but when you are already proven correct,
this is certainly the time to step off of first base.
We have two rules to keep us protected from our lack of certainty and enforcement of certainty.
Many trading plans have the trader in a position at all times. The thinking being that the market is
either going to go up or go down. Well this is just absolutely an idiot’s plan. Maybe I shouldn’t say
it so strong as I should have an open mind still.
I have to put this in the category of thinking a statement, which says to not do something, actually
says to do the opposite of that statement. Too many times I have watched a fund bid the market so
they can sell the market. It’s a plan to take advantage of the surprise element in the markets. There
was the day when you would only see me on both sides only when I was wrong. I am wrong a lot
more lately. That’s not bad either!
The readers are surely asking by now how do we use these two rules? It’s easier to use real time
quotes and markets to prove the points but since we only have hindsight here, we will do it
differently. Let’s use the old common day trading technique, which I am not going to give you
judgment on at this time.
You say your plan wants you long if you take out the opening range! Ok let us say we are trading
onions and the price is 1000($10). The price goes to 1001 and the opening range was 999-1000.
Your plan says buy so you buy. You get filled at 1002! Why 1002? Well execution is getting the
position filled! You gave up a slip of 1 tick. Not bad, most of the time it is small.
We can go into the importance of execution now or continue the trade. Let us continue the nature of
the trade and cover the importance of execution later. Now that you are long at 1002 you are using
rule one. You assume this is a bad trade until the market proves to you that the trade is good. If the
market does not prove this a good trade you are going to exit the trade. Fine so far!
What criteria in your day trading plan says you are right. Most say what determines you are wrong.
Not us! We only want to know the criteria for being right. Ok for us our program says “if in the first
half hour, the market opens lower than yesterday and moves higher, expect a move above the prior
day’s high within the first half day of trading.”
Our program also says the position is only correct if the market stays in the prior days top half in the
first half hour. Our last criteria for the trade is that it must show a 3 point profit by the close. Now I
ask you what is your next step?
Your criteria for remaining in this position is only when the requirements of your data indicate to
you the position is correct. The other data you would need in the program is yesterday’s range,
yesterdays high and yesterdays close. Your day trading program says to use the old rule of opening
range break out. Yesterday’s data is critical in knowing when you are correct.
For our example we will use yesterday’s high as 997 and yesterday’s range as 991-997. It gets
interesting here because you are going to decide whether you will exit the position. At the end of 30
minutes the market is at 997. What would you do?
The first criterion of our trade program is in conflict with your day trading strategy but you still
bought the opening range break out. We don’t care if the two are in conflict! We only care what
causes our position to be correct. Ok so far.
The market has been open a half hour and our price is 997. As you can see you must know your
trade plan before the market opens and what you are required to do. What makes your position
correct? You must be in yesterday’s top half range after the first half hour of trading.
Are you indeed in the top half range from yesterday?
I am going to give you the answer indirectly so you can’t slip down to find it. We will go to the next
step here. At the end of the first half day of trading the price is 996. Are you still in the position?
You did take out the prior day’s high but you didn’t open lower. Ok we still did it! Stayed in first
half hour. That’s right.
Now first half day price is down to 996 and we bought at 1002. Still in the top half of yesterday’s
range. Ok, we are still in the position. Bad entry though as our plans conflicted. Should have only
taken the position if it opened lower. It didn’t. Well ok because we are day traders we used the
opening range break out. Our entry wasn’t the best but so what!
At the end of the day the market is at 992. Are we still in the position? You have the right answer
but Why? The market had to be at 1005 in order to keep the position. It had to show a 3 point profit
on the close.
How would you get out of this position? You would have used a stop close only order after the first
half day to sell the position 1004 stop close only.
The example gives you several interesting situations and perhaps just as many questions about rule
one. Rule one will not protect you from wrong entries! That is your job. You must solve your own
conflicts in your trading. Rule one did take you out of the trade on the close because you were not
proven correct based on the required criteria.
Keep in mind this example is a very different situation than you would expect of your trading
program. You can’t have a program which says if the market doesn’t go to 980 that it looks for the
market to go to 1100 sometime. There has to be a time frame on when they expect 1100. When a
market doesn’t go up anymore, somewhere it isn’t correct to stay in the position regardless of the
The market must prove and continue to prove. It can be simple or complex strategies in your
program but when the position is not doing according to the expectations it is wrong. Not when it
proves your stop price got hit.
Stops, yes we did use a stop to get out. We did not use the stop as the criteria for getting out. The
stop did not prove us wrong but the criteria proved us wrong.
I realize that in the example we put conflict, various criteria which was required for the position to
be correct and a bad entry example. Does this point out more than just rule one to you? Rule one
will get you out of a position which is not proven correct but it won’t fix a bad entry. Know your
plan before the market opens! If you had known your plan in this example prior to opening, you
would have never positioned.
ALS – Ok, I see your point but how can most traders with jobs trade as the example shows?
POP – I can give you other examples but it all comes down to the criteria for proving a position
correct. If you trade by looking in the newspaper each night your trading plan will be different and
your positions must be smaller as you are going to need wider ranges to work with on criteria.
In the above example you could never have placed the order to buy the opening range break out and
therefore it would never have been in your plans. You may have had criteria which said to buy
yesterdays low plus one tick or two ticks and a time of day order which said TOD10:00a.m. sell 993
The market would have to be in the bottom half after first half hour to get out as criteria indicated to
be correct the market had to be in top half range after first half hour. The other criteria could be met
with either OCO (one cancels other) orders or stop limit close only orders. Not all brokers take all
orders so your plan must include this possibility of difficulty in trading.
Each tool you lose or don’t have in trading, you must reduce your position accordingly to have an
effective long range program. The farther away you are from all the tools you need, the wider road
you must have. Reduce the size of your car (position) for the road that isn’t wider.
Now that we have your attention I think it is clear to see how just two simple rules can be exploited.
You can’t help but understand why trading can be so difficult. You want to be a knowledgeable
trader and you need to take all of the difficulty out of your daily trading when the market is closed.
ALS – I would like to ask you a question, which I have wondered over the past couple of decades.
Do you fell when you take a position you have taken a good position?
POP – Never! Do you understand my NO? If at any time a trader thinks they have what is a very
good trade, they are going to get removed from trading very quickly. I make the best trade on my
trade probabilities program but who is to say my guess is better than someone else’s is? Never do I
know it is a good trade until it proves to be.
Understanding that to feel you are making a good trade is signing your death warrant in trading. The
majority of traders do certainly feel that they have a good handle and they are only putting on good
There is an old saying that the market is never wrong. I don’t mean to protest directly but I think
that is not always the case. But it is what we must trade by in price. Markets go to extremes and that
is certainly in challenge in always being right. Once we know markets go to extremes, we can put
that on our side and exploit the advantage.
Very few traders exploit that advantage. You must with rule two press your winners. Often times
you won’t understand the importance of pressing the winners but it makes no difference as to reason
when you collect your profits. Who really cares if the market is or isn’t always correct. The market
price is what we are measuring our equity with and always will.
In trading nothing goes right for most traders unless they take total control of positioning and letting
the market only prove when a position is correct. I know I am repeating myself but there is not
better way to impress this information upon the readers of this insight.
I don’t want to see any small traders wiped off the map when it comes to trading but that is what
happens to most of them. They are small and are stopped by the big traders and funds most of the
time. If they can understand the urgency of not letting the big trades ruin their plans and hopes, they
will do much better.
The first step is what we are pointing out. I know because I have driven the big cars on the small
tracks. It is better to drive the small car on the big track but it just never comes out the same. With a
little understanding we shall change that for them.
ALS – I remember an experiment which proved very successful with a group of traders or would be
traders. Do you foresee that situation again.
POP – I have no idea of what you are talking about! I wish them well. No, I think an individual is
the best minority of one I have ever hoped to reward. Only one at a time in trading is fine with me.
It is their dream and my reality. They have to make it happen. If it doesn’t, don’t blame the
messenger. Look in the mirror.
ALS – You and I are traders not writers, doesn’t it seem strange to you to bring foreword your
thoughts on trading for others to read?
POP – You may end up a better writer than you think. It’s perfect as the best time to learn about
trading is when the market is closed. Most traders only learn when the market is open and what a
mistake that can be. It can be costly and emotional. Both are wrong sides of the coin.
ALS – We need some examples of other questions which the traders and readers will have on rule
two. When do we press a winner and when do we get out of our winners.
POP – I know they would like for me to say this is the plan and it is very simple. I can’t say that as it
takes work, experience and execution at all times. Most traders, I don’t mean to group them so
severely and handicap them, but true as it is they look to remove their positions just as soon as they
prove them right. They forget what their true purpose in trading really is. It is to not only make as
much money as possible but it most important is to make it in the least amount of time.
This keeps them from facing the problem of drawdown because they are not trading to face
drawdown but only to trade to make money.
I will never forget my Mother’s words when I was honest with her on a trade one day. She asked
how I did the day she visited the exchange. I said I lost a large sum of money. Well, her remark was
“I wouldn’t have done that!” I didn’t attend to my business that day and left a trade on. You don’t do
that. But that is just what traders do everyday. They leave trades on when their Mother visits!
Believe me, Your mother will visit you every day when you trade! You have to attend to your job of
Just a couple of days ago, I was asked to go out on a nice boat trip for five days. It is costly if you
don’t attend to your affairs. There are times you must above all else attend to your positions. There
are no long term trades! Only trades which turn into long term held positions.
Don’t ever let anyone tell you that they have a long term position on at any time. How do they know?
How does anyone know? Only the market can tell you and it opens every trading day. Don’t ask me
what I think. It doesn’t matter. I can only give you the best odds. It is up to you to believe what the
market is telling you.
ALS – How about rule two?
POP – What can I say other than let set an example up. Ok today let us say beans opened at 85-88
and after he first half hour 85 was still the low but 90 was the high. What would you do if it was 15
higher at 88 and you put your position yesterday? Would you get out and take your profits, take half
your profits or add to the position?
I will tell you what most will do. They will take all of their profits. That is when you know your
position was proven correct again from yesterday. What do you think the correct answer is?
You must use rule two. You certainly don’t reverse pyramid by putting the same or bigger positions
on because the market could very well take out the lows quickly and you will have to salvage what
you increased if wrong. Do it in smaller numbers. Your plan must tell you when you know what
you did yesterday is confirmed ok that you must increase your position somewhere along the line.
Sure, the argument is, but I am not sure it will keep going up. So what? We never really do anyway.
So what is different about going with the current certainty? As long as you have rule one it makes
no difference if you are wrong because you have all the doors covered. Don’t ever lose sight of rule
one when using rule two.
Some traders will say that they don’t really know where to put the trade on price wise. Yes, you do!
The word E X E C U T I O N means make sure you guarantee you have that added position. There
are times when execution is the most important aspect of a trade. If you can’t get a position on you
sure can’t take on off. I know you have heard that statement in the past but it is with good
foundation. You must say at the market in those situations.
Ok, today we pointed out a situation where it was obvious to add. Looking back it is always
obvious. What matters is that after enough lead on your position after you have put some time
between the position and an advantage price of a little magnitude, you must be pretty sure it’s time
to take your profit.
Well, don’t take your profit. Add to your position. Then if it doesn’t prove correct, take your
remaining profit and expect to re-enter at a different level. So what if you lose a few ticks because
you put an added position on and it was wrong! You will get enough lead on adds that you won’t
ever think twice after you see the run-a-way markets!
It’s isn’t because I say so but because the market catches traders the wrong way. It is seldom that it’s
not the case.
When a market gaps higher or lower, you are in a position to take the profit takers position away
from them. Do it, but use rule one when you do. That way you will never worry if you are in a
correct position or not. Doesn’t matter anyway because with your rule one, you will do the right
thing. It is never bad to be wrong. Only then can you benefit when you are correct.
Most traders will make a trade and lose a good amount and miss the next trade. Out of step with the
market is bad and it gets worse. Don’t get out of cadence for long on any one trade. That way you
can half step right back in line.
ALS – Phantom, you are acting as if everyone can do what you explained.
POP – Not everyone can do what they must do. Learn what you are capable of doing and stick to
those parameters. Use the protection rules in your parameters. Don’t modify them or misunderstand
them for your own satisfaction. Use them as they were meant to be used. They will hurt you if you
don’t use them correctly.
ALS – We could use more examples of how to use your rules but I feel the readers will get a little
overwhelmed if we continue to throw examples at them. We could address every situation and
eliminate most of the required interpretation by the traders. I don’t think we should do that at this
POP – Yes, I totally agree, as the integrity of a subject is not always how well it is presented but
how well, in this case, it is impressed upon traders. It is up to the trader to fully comprehend their
part of what is required of themselves. They can make mistakes but as long as they use the rules
properly, they will stay in the game.
It is a fine line when creating a program to trade markets. I have always suggested they establish
their own criteria based on the best knowledge they can find. You start with point and figure
charting to understand the characteristics of your market. Even if it is someone else’s chart, you
must see what the market is capable of doing to traders.
I am not saying that there aren’t good trade programs but only that the trader must fully understand
where the criteria in these programs are establishing the entries and exits. These programs will
never have rules one and two in them so you will have to incorporate them which could void the
program. So be careful and express your concern with the program vendor on these matters. Your
concern is to keep your drawdown within reason to allow you to trade forever.
Art, have we covered it yet?
ALS – Never in a thousand books can we cover it completely but I think we have made our point
and you have made your mark on the readers thinking.
” You can trade well when you are thinking good. “—POP